Eric Myers. Mark Millman. Joined: 10 Feb Posts: Gavin Kisebach. Log in. Forum index. Spotlight Topics. This is a standard topic. Does anyone know the etymology of the term blood grooves? I was thinking about it the other day, and while I have no doubt that the primary purpose of fullers would be to lighten and strengthen the blade, I have to imagine that they also channeled blood down the center of the blade.
I realized that it was entirely possible that fullers may have been called blood grooves by contemporaries after an observed effect rather than primary purpose. However, it is also equally possible that they were given the term at a later date when the function of the fuller was simply assumed by people with little practical experience.
So my question is whether anyone does know for sure, and can document the origin of the term? I've don't remember ever having seen it in medieval or renaissance sources, but then again I don't remember the term fuller either. The term "Blood Grove" in the context of a description for a fuller I believe is a modern alliteration. I have not found any period use of the term or reference to this particular function being described.
In discussions with surgeons and emergency room doctors the whole concept is pretty much a wash. There is no technical need or function for such a grove in a devise puncturing the body. As one said to me "Humans are soft, steel is hard.
Now if we could find such a comment from a period source it would be quite interesting, but I have not come across it in many years of watching for it. Best Craig.
Posted: Wed 31 Dec, am Post subject:. I don't know know accurate it was, but I saw a documentary at least years ago to said that "blood groves" for the purpose of "relieving the suction on the blade" were first used on bayonets in the late 19th or early 20th century.
I don't remember what people they were talking about, I suspect some eastern European group. From there, the use of blood grooves spread to most bayonet knives. Again this was a documentary form years ago, so the info may be out of date. I am hoping someone else has more information on this. This documentary was the first time I heard the term "blood groove". It is a very thin line, not wide like a fuller. My ka-bar has a slightly wider one, but short.
Clearly the purpose of it is not to reduce the weight like a fuller on a sword. Regardless if the bloodgrove is effective or not in breaking suction, for most of the 20th century people believed it did and put blood groves on the blades for that reason. Hence, those ARE blood grooves on bayonet knives, not fullers, based on the reason why they were put on there. Roger of Hoveden, www.
If we want to discuss the purpose of a fuller on a sword blade: The main function of a fuller is to stiffen and lighten a sword blade. When slashing the main tension of the cut is along the back of the blade.
By removing material; sword makers can lighten a blade without weakling it. A fuller is a rounded or beveled groove or slot in the flat side of a blade e. A fuller is often used to lighten the blade, much the way that the shape of an I-beam allows a given amount of strength to be achieved with less material. This effect lessens as the blade is reduced in length.
The term used in historical Europe is largely unknown, and due to the constantly changing nature of language, the popular term also may have varied from generation to generation.
Swords primary role was to break bones and to drop you to the floor. Carl, thank you. I googled it. The "fuller" on bayonets were for strength, not ease of pulling out. I had always thought the groves in bayonets were for blood letting. Maybe I should rephrase this. I have read in several books of problems pulling bayonets or knives out. I pulled my M3 and Marine Corp Ka-bar out of the safe. The M3 does not have a blood groove but the Ka-bar does. I would still like to know where the term blood groove came from if not for it's named goal.
By the way, the M3 is a very nasty knife. Jeff Bowers. I am not posting this as an argument, just what I heard, that on fighting knives at least, the fuller would allow whatever stabbed to 'bleed out' quicker. Although this doesn't seem likely for a combat knife, as you would have to stand there too long. The only modern adaptation I saw was at a store in Georgia, which was an arrow with a 'blood channel' in it.
The advert said it was to bleed the deer out faster, and make a better trail for tracking. I don't think it ever caught on generally. This is an interesting topic. Possibly of myth-buster type.
I am going guess two thing: The difficulty of pulling a knife or bayonet out which I have read about in several literary works as difficult at times is either an exaggeration or fictional -or- Am I mistaking the serrated edge as the culprit and not suction?
I beleive the original Marine Corp knife had a serrated edge? The command fix bayonets, I believe was last used in Korea. The main purpose of the bayonet was to issue every soldier a knife. Which was far more multipurpose than a bayonet. As far as the Samurai sword. I believe it was used as a slashing weapon. It's strength and rigidity was derived from the curve achieved in it's tempering.
Ontario Honker Hunter. It may have some history, but the purpose was, I think, always questionable. Today, it's decorative. Right Rail 1.
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